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February 22, 2019

Ep. 30 - Open & Relational Theology (Pt. II) - Thomas Jay Oord, God Can’t

Welcome to Part II of the Open and Relational Theology series! We're super excited to be joined by Thomas Jay Oord - author, theologian, philosopher, and Open/Relational extraordinaire. In this episode we dive into Tom's latest book, God Can't - How to Believe in God and Love After Tragedy, Abuse, and Other EvilsWe really enjoyed our time with Tom, and we're sure you will too!

Additional References:

The Uncontrolling Love of God 

Sign up for Open and Relational Theology reading group with Tom and Tripp Fuller here!

Tripp Fuller live Homebrewed Podcast @ Wild Heaven Brewery (Atlanta) - Monday 2/25

February 13, 2019

Ep. 29 - Open & Relational Theology (Pt. I) - Introduction

Welcome to Part I of our new series, Open & Relational Theology. In the multi-part series, we'll be featuring a number of unique guests over the next month or so, so stay tuned!

In this episode, Stephen and Andrew have an organic dialog around frameworks of God, ways of thinking about omnipotence, omniscience, and impassibility, how this journey has impacted us personally, and much more. We committed to 30 minutes...which of course turned into an hour or so...but we suspect you'll come along for the discussion.

Hope you enjoy, and be sure to stick around for a number of fantastic interviews to be released over the next few weeks!

February 1, 2019

Ep. 28 - Justin Lee - Talking Across the Divide

In this episode, we welcome Justin Lee - evangelical Christian, activist, author, and speaker - to discuss his latest book, Talking Across the Divide. We're super grateful to have Justin on to give us some of his personal story, discuss effective communication in Christian community, disagreement, strategic listening, and more. Hoping to have Justin on future episodes, so stay tuned!

This episode also includes a short reflection from Stephen and Andrew following the conversation with Justin.


Geeky Justin.com

Talking Across the Divide: How to Communicate with People You Disagree with and Maybe Even Change the World

January 15, 2019

Ep. 27 - Gender Roles & Scripture (Pt II) - Kate Wallace Nunneley

We're excited to share this recent conversation with Kate Wallace Nunneley, continuing the discussion on gender roles, the Bible, and women in the Church. Kate gives us some great insight into The Junia Project, her perspective and experience as a female pastor, and terms like "Christian feminism" and "egalitarianism."

We dive into some of Paul's New Testament language around "headship," "women remaining silent," "not permitting women to teach," how this sits in an egalitarian vs. complementation framework, and much more.

Hope you enjoy the conversation as much as we did!

Follow Kate on Twitter @KateWallace1313 and check out The Junia Project here!

January 4, 2019

Ep. 26 - 2018: Laity Podcast Year in Review feat. Tom Lombardi

With the coming of a new year, we wanted to take a dedicated episode to discuss the last year doing this podcast. In this reflective episode, we welcome Tom Lombardi (interviewing us!) to discuss highlights, breakthroughs, feedback, learning experiences, and how we're looking at Laity going into 2019. We hope you enjoy.

Thank you to every listener and guest who has tuned in over the last handful of months - we couldn't do it without you!

To learn more about Tom's work, see his website, Transition Perfect, which includes the Every Day A Life Podcast.


December 25, 2018

Ep. 25 - Sharon Galgay Ketcham - Reciprocal Church

In this episode we welcome author, professor, and practical theologian, Sharon Galgay Ketchum, to discuss her new book, Reciprocal Church: Becoming a Community Where Faith Flourishes Beyond High School.

As two adults who grew up in church, Stephen and I enjoyed discussing everything from the "nones" and the "dones" to the Church as vital, the relationship between the individual and the church, and raising kids in a Christian context today.

Parents, church leaders, pastors, and anyone interested in inter-generational dialog/growth/transformation will enjoy greatly!


About Sharon: 

Sharon Galgay Ketcham is professor of theology and Christian ministries at Gordon College in Massachusetts. She earned her Ph.D. in theology and education from Boston College. Sharon’s two decades of experience in ministry include serving the local church, researching, writing, teaching, and mentoring. As a practical theologian, she is a scholar for the Church and invites people to reflect theologically on lived Christian faith. She is the author of Reciprocal Church: Becoming a community where faith flourishes beyond high school in which she proposes a new vision for a person’s relationship with the church and the accompanying values and practices that allow faith to flourish for persons and communities. Sharon lives in New Hampshire with her husband and two children.

December 15, 2018

Ep. 24 - Drew Hart & Sarah Fe Harris - Trouble I’ve Seen

Continuing the conversation on racism, whiteness, and the Church, we're excited to share a recent dialog with Dr. Drew Hart and Sarah Fe Harris, joining us from Harrisburg, PA.

Drew is the author of Trouble I've Seen: Changing the Way the Church Views Racism. In this four-way conversation, Drew and Sarah Fe lead us towards a rethinking our racialized culture, "white Jesus," how whiteness affects worship, and how to engage these real issues in a local church context. 


Drew Hart website

Drew on Twitter - @DruHart

Sarah Fe Harris on Twitter - @sarahfeharris


December 7, 2018

Ep. 23 - Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove - Slaveholder Religion & Reconstructing the Gospel

About a month ago we had the pleasure of speaking with author, speaker, activist, and pastor, Jonathan Wilson-Hartgrove, on his way home from a rally in Greensboro, NC.

In this episode we're diving into his latest book, Reconstructing the Gospel: Finding Freedom From Slaveholder Religion, to discuss racism, the dark legacy of the Church, and the Gospel rediscovered. 

We hope you're as convicted, inspired, and uncomfortable as we were at times - ultimately leading to a deeper understanding of Jesus and the manifestation of the Gospel in our day.



Jonathan on Twitter - @wilsonhartgrove


Poor People's Campaign

School For Conversion 

November 21, 2018

Ep. 22 - Luke Norsworthy - God Over Good

In this episode we welcome pastor, author, and podcaster extraordinaire, Luke Norsworthy, to discuss his new book, God Over Good: Saving Your Faith by Losing your Expectations of God.

Luke is the host of Newsworthy With Norsworthy, a Christian/spirituality-centered podcast Stephen and Andrew have been following closely for over four years. Thank you, Luke, for introducing us to so many impactful thinkers, authors, speakers, and theologians from around the world. Even more so, thank you for writing this honest book about doubt, growth, and the spiritual journey.


November 11, 2018

Ep. 21 - Brian Zahnd on Salvation, Eschatology, and the Kingdom of God

BZ is back! Rounding out our series on the Kingdom of God, in this episode we dive into the meaning of salvation in light of the Kingdom, "end times," heaven/hell, and much more. 

As always, check out Brian's blog, his books, and Word of Life Church.

Also, check out this chapter from Sinner's in the Hands of a Loving God, Hell and How We Get There...